The Firearm Enthusiasts' Thread, Post up your pics and videos!! TOPIC OPTIONS

[Faith of Judas]

The small incap advantage the larger/faster bullets offer is offset by the relatively slower rate of fire and magazine capacity.

It appears the .40 still has a marginal edge, since you don't sacrifice much capacity (though RoF will be low unless you're a skilled and experienced shooter).


but the 9mm offers cheap and plentiful ammo, with low recoil, and large mag capacity. the .40 will penetrate most soft body armor, so that's nice, but really, how often is that going to come up?
9mm is the way to go for a daily carry firearm.

[fox]

So, basically, you're better off with a longer incapacitation time, because the ROF is higher?
That is taking into account that despite the greater damage the revolver deals can easily be negated by missing 1 or 2 rounds; imho you'd be better off with a weapon that discharges faster. Because even if you miss the first 2 shots with both, at least you start doing damage faster with the lighter calibre, right? Depending on the point of impact, I'd say getting hit by a 9mm may not do as much damage as a .45, but it's definitely gonna ruin your day and distract you for a vital instance when you get hit in the thick of it, right?

I think one thing to keep in mind is the .38 special has such a low rate of fire, and from a snubnose a short useful range (because it is so difficult to accurately aim with its terrible sights), you might be seeing only extremely short and well aimed (or so short no aim is needed) shots from the 38. I know my effective range with a .38 snubnose is ridiculously short and in a real confrontation I wouldn't even attempt a shot at someone more than a few yards away. You might be seeing a little of that in those stats.

Also, limited ammo and long rate of fire might mean more selective shot selection and less overkill. The study seems a little susceptible to overkill being measured as shots to incapacitate in its methodology.

This post has been edited by fox: Jan 15 2012, 8:49 AM

[Faith of Judas]

snubnosed .38's are knives

[fox]

Pretty much. I don't think that saying a subnosed .38 has an eight-to-ten foot real world range for the average concealed carrier would be hyperbole. Maybe fifteen in good light.

[Warlock]

That's pretty much just enough for that ultimate self-defense, which concealed carry meant for, right?

This post has been edited by Warlock: Jan 15 2012, 2:04 PM

[Faith of Judas]

I like .38s for a carry gun, but it's not something I'd ever carry.
Its a loud long knife, with 5 uses, and that's it.
And the reality is that if you point that thing at someone, you're dumping all 5 rounds in under 2 seconds.
if there's more than one bad guy, you're fucked, if you miss, you're fucked, if you're fighting a badass, you're fucked.

99 days out of 100 I don't find the glock 23 to be burdensome at all. I carry it with a full mag plus one in the chamber, and a spare magazine in a gerber multitool carrier.

This post has been edited by Faith of Judas: Jan 15 2012, 2:36 PM

[Col]

Only in Texas can you get paid to shoot at your boss with an AK47

[Warlock]

Is it me, or is there a slit between that window and the armored plate wide enough for a 7.62 round to pass through from the shooters stand point?

[Asylum Keeper]

^ Yep, looks that way to me. Seems irresponsible

edit: the armor plate is angled back and the glass overlaps it, so the round could in theory "slide" up the plate and pass through the gap

This post has been edited by Asylum Keeper: Jan 21 2012, 4:30 PM

[Col]

They probably didn't build the rig with the intention of having someone (let alone their boss) sitting behind it. The fact he did sit behind it, shows how much faith he had in not only his product, but on his employee to shoot straight.

[Asylum Keeper]

[Fat Drunk Bastard]

Thoughts on a Glock 27 with 3 barrels to replace the snubnose knife? (9mm, .357 SIG, .40)

[Asylum Keeper]

I'm not a fan of tupperware, but a glock should serve you well.

[Sloppopotamus]

I don't think 9mm barrels are exchangeable with 40 and 357 Sig, are they?

I know that 357 Sig and 40 can swap barrels... but I remember reading that you shouldn't swap either of those with 9mm.

I might be wrong, but you might wanna check into it more, just in case.

[Asylum Keeper]

Correct. Breech face for 9mm and .40S&W are different

This post has been edited by Asylum Keeper: Jan 27 2012, 12:07 PM

[Fat Drunk Bastard]

I haven't had the chance to go back and talk to the owner, but from what I can tell the 9mm barrel (offset) they are selling with it should work.

[Asylum Keeper]

I doubt that I am the only person that thinks this thing is a joke.

[Faith of Judas]

You're not.

unrelated, but important


This post has been edited by Faith of Judas: Mar 1 2012, 3:13 PM

[WTF D00D]

Snagged a Henry .45 Colt the other day, always wanted one. Smooth as hell lever action...excellent little gun, slightly heavy but no biggy.

[Sloppopotamus]

[Asylum Keeper]

This is a non-retarded defense type lever gun.



That Mossberg is just embarrassing


edit: WTF Dood, that Henry is fucken sweet!! I would love to have one of those

This post has been edited by Asylum Keeper: Mar 2 2012, 9:23 AM

[Faith of Judas]

I kind of want to get into muzzle loaders, but I dont know anything about them. ANd now that I've moved, I cant find a half decent outdoor range to save my life.

[Sloppopotamus]

My Dad has been into the black powder thing for fucking YEARS... it's pretty much all he does these days.

He knows A LOT, so if you ever want me to route a question through him, let me know.

[Sloppopotamus]

[Faith of Judas]

I may take you up on that Sloppo.

right now I don't even know what I don't know. So I have some work to do.

Went to the good outdoor range when the weather was nice last weekend, and killed my brother's old laptop



I love that Enfield. my first gun. got it when I was 14. In retrospect, that wasn't even legal. I can't believe they sold it to me.

[Sloppopotamus]

http://www.cracked.com/article_19781_6-stu...-to-movies.html

[Faith of Judas]

Ripped straight from 4chan. This is awesome as hell.

Kommrades! I read an old Ivan post the other day pic related which got me thinking, what is the utility of owning and carrying a firearm? I have attempted to provide an analytical solution. Firearms have many uses, but this solution will only consider the value they have as tools for self defense.

First note that

1.
Utility of Owning and Carrying a Firearm = Utility of Gun Carry - Cost of Ownership. Given as variables below.
U_o = U_g – C_o

2.
C_o = Cost of Ownership = Cost of Weapon + Cost per year. Given as variables below.
C_o = ( C_w + C_y)
C_w = Cost of Weapon = 2*(Price of Handgun) Assuming breakage or repairs.
C_y = Cost per year = (100 Rounds per month)*( Cost per round) 12*60 +(Range Fees/Licensing)

3.
U_g = Utility of Gun Carry = (Probability that you will stop a violent crime against a loved one over a lifetime)*(Utility of loved ones lives) Given as variables below.
U_g = (C_l*C_s*U_l)
C_l = Chance of loved one being attacked in your presence = 1-(probability of no attack yearly per capita)^Number of years left in lifetime.
C_s = Chance you will stop it
U_l = Value of Loved ones lives.

4.
Then the utility of owning a firearm becomes
U_o = U_g – C_o
U_o = (C_p*U_l) – (C_w + C_y)
U_o = ((C_l*C_s)*U_l) – (C_w + C_y)

5.
Now for values, this is likely to be the greatest source of error, and with the given formula can be adjusted as seen fit.

C_w = 1200 - Two Glock 19’s at a high price.
C_y = 18000 – Glock food for a lifetime
C_l = 1-(1-403/100000)^60 = .215 probability of being a victim of violent crime. Assuming that if your love one is a victim in your presence then you are as well.
C_s = .75 - You're armed with a 9mm remember.
U_l = 8,000,000 - according to the EPA. You might value their lives at a greater price.

6.
Calcultation and Analysis

U_o = 1,260,000 dollars. That is an extremely high utility! Owning and carrying definitely makes sense from an economic point of view.

Later

just did another quick calculation.

Suppose that we are only interested in seeing what probability of being attacked is required so that there is zero utility in owning a firearm, i.e. the cost of the firearm is the same as the expected pay off we get from owning it.
19200 = probability * .75 *8,000,000

probability = .0032
probaility of being attacked in the u.s. per year .00403

Holy shit so owning a gun for life pays off even if you only consider a single year out of that life.

[Warlock]

So how legal is this Slide Fire Stock? Obviously, it doesn't technically break any full auto laws, but it really defeats their purpose.
Moreover, the way this thing works, I'd say a real auto wouldn't result in such an unstable aim, as you're pushing the front end of the gun away, instead of pulling it in tighter..
Curious as to your views..

(it's long, quick vid below)

[Faith of Judas]

perfectly legal (for now).
Silly though.



here's this.
SCIENCE!